Time to put on hygienic gloves and a mask and delve into the Mcfarty trash can
Turks have begun a hysterical campaign of denial of the Armenian
Genocide and the Internet has not been spared from the invasion of barbaric hordes of virtual
Ottoman "conquerors" ravaging each and every forum pertaining to any ethnicity remotely
or otherwise related to their dark tyrannical rule. The sheer number of websites spreading their
revisionist spam faster than a bubonic plague testifies to this hysteria: just Google something
about Armenia or the Armenians, especially the name of an Armenian hero, and wonder over the
uncontrollable hate and smear campaign the Mongolo-Tatar Information Super Silk Route bandits
have organized to mislead the uninformed.
Their "proofs" can be summarized into an "essay" spewed
out of the rectum of an Armenian Hating American(?) con "scholar" called Justin McCarthy (here referred to as Injust McFarty). Armenian History starts somewhere near the end of the 18th century for this sham scholar.
I am no scholar and no historian but my knowledge of my people's past
is unfathomably deeper than that of this hysterian and if I can expose this charlatan then
a historian shall not even dignify his lies with a middle finger. The reason I thought I should say
something about this "essay" is the amount of trust Turks put in it and the countless
quotes they regurgitate from it to deny the Genocide.
Before I start I state an irrefutable truth among millions that render
denying the Armenian Genocide absurd.
Armenians lived in their homeland for thousands of years, then the
Turks invaded and after centuries of abuse they decided to empty Armenia from its indigenous
inhabitants to realize the sick Pan-Turkist dream of uniting the Turks in occupied Asia Minor and the Caucasus with their tent-dwelling kin in the steppes of Central Asia
(another region “conquered” through invasion by the Tou Kiu (the Turks) earlier… but that’s another story)
where they originally came from in the 11th century. As a result no Armenians live in their ancestral home anymore.
This is by definition genocide. End of story.
By Justin McCarthy (11 April 2001,
Copyright © Turkish Daily News)
Part I: Nationalists who use
history have different goals. They use events
from the past as weapons in their nations'
battles. They have a purpose -- to triumph for
their cause, and they will use anything to
succeed in this goal Like other men and women,
historians have political goals and ideologies,
but a true historian acknowledges his error when
the facts do not support his belief. The
nationalist apologist never does so The Armenian
issue has long been plagued with nationalist
studies. This has led to an inconsistent history
that ignores the time-tested principles of
historical research. Yet when the histories of
Turks and Armenians are approached with the
normal tools a logical and consistent account
"to triumph for their cause", the poor English coming from this professssssor is yet another proof of this charlatan's "deep" knowledge of his own mother tongue let alone history. Oh, although I'm not a native speaker of English, the extra esses in prof were just a digital encoding of a soft fart I directed at this scumbag's face and not a typo. It would be better for this rascal to "acknowledge his error" and spare me the waste of time for revealing his illogical and inconsistent rubbish.
Throughout the recent debate on the
Armenian genocide question, one statement has
characterized those who object to politicians'
attempts to write history, "Let the Historians
decide." Few of us have specified who we are
referring to in that statement. It is now time to
"the Historians" (why capitalize?) have decided long time ago, it is now time for you to specify who you really are and why you are attempting to rewrite history if you don't have a political agenda.
There is a vast difference between history
written to defend one-sided nationalist
convictions and real accounts of history. History
intends to find that the truth is illusive.
Historians know they have prejudices that can
affect their judgment. They know they never have
all the facts. Yet they always try to find the
truth, whatever that may be.
"History intends to find"??? Is this "scholar" sober or what? For a real account of history, among other things, read all the history books written by true historians throughout the dark Ottoman period and before, learn about the cultural heritage of the Armenians being systematically destroyed up to this very day, consult historic maps, go to Western Armenia and find the turkified Armenians still living and talk to them about their fate. "History intends to find that the truth is illusive"??? Do you speak English? What the hell are you talking about? If TRUTH is ILLUSIVE then black is white. So go on and find this illusive truth whatever you THINK it is and hope no one sees that prejudices have numbed your "judgment".
Nationalists who use history have a
different set of goals. They use events from the
past as weapons in their own nation's battles.
They have a purpose -- the triumph of their cause
-- and they will use anything to succeed in this
goal. While a historian tries to collect all the
relevant facts and put them together as a coherent
picture, the nationalist selects those pieces of
history that fit his purpose' ignoring the others.
What relevant facts has the garbage collecting "professor" ever collected? Is he aware of the centuries long tyranny and oppression Armenians and other subjects of the Empire of Rape and Plunder had to endure? Doesn't he know that the Ottomans, and indeed the whole fauna of the different Central Asian predatory nomadic species, have halted the natural progress and prosperity of the industrious and cultural people of Armenia for a thousand years? Apparently the "scholar "ignores "those pieces of history" that don't "fit his purpose".
Like other men and women, historians have
political goals and ideologies, but a true
historian acknowledges his errors when the facts
do not support his belief. The nationalist
apologist never does so. If the facts do not fit
his theories the nationalist ignores those facts
and looks for other ways to make his case. True
historians can make intellectual mistakes.
Nationalist apologists commit intellectual crimes.
What facts do support his beliefs? Does the scumbag acknowledge his "errors"? The crime this lying, illiterate weasel commits cannot even be considered intellectual!
The Armenian issue has long been plagued
with nationalist studies. This has led to an
inconsistent history that ignores the time-tested
principles of historical research. Yet when the
histories of Turks and Armenians are approached
with the normal tools of history a logical and
consistent account results. "Let the historians
decide" is a call for historical study like any
other historical study, one that looks at all the
facts, studies all the opinions, applies
historical principles and comes to logical
Right now the only plague gnawing hopelessly at the Armenian issue is the revisionist "studies" of the likes of this "historian" with no "historical principles" or any principles for that matter.
Historians first ask the most basic
question. "Was there an Armenia?" Was there a
region within the Ottoman Empire where Armenians
were a compact majority that might rightfully
demand their own state?
Of course, the garbage collector looks at all facts but somehow misses the fact that according to
Tavernier, who traveled six times in the East in the period of 1632-1668 wrote in his notes that "the land stretching from Tokat to Tabriz is almost exclusively inhabited by Christians and this region used to be part of the Armenian Kingdom...That's why it's not surprising to come across fifty Armenians for every single Muslim". Where did they all go? I wonder...
Of course, the "truth seeking" "hysterian" has "accidentally" missed the "Reis Efendi Risalesi", the official report for the Ottoman Ministry of Interior, prepared in 1778-1780, which affirms that "the Armenians were the most numerous reaya-population in the Ottoman State". In numbers it should lie somewhere between 2.5 to 3 million, since the Greek population at the time must have been over 2 million.
The ignoramus, cow dung for brains cowboy smears a nation and their homeland shamelessly and calls himself a logical and consistent historian who applies historical principles. Armenia figures on all the historic maps of the region including the maps done for the Ottoman Tyranny. The oldest known world map, a
Babylonian Clay Tablet from 600 B.C. testifies to the fact that Armenia has always existed and the ONLY country represented on the tablet still existing, is Armenia.
We are not even talking about the Sumerian inscriptions of the existence of an Armenian state, Aratta, in 2800 B.C.; the Ebla inscriptions; the accounts of king Naram-Suen (23rd century B.C.); the Accadian, Hitite, Babylonian inscriptions mentioning Armanum/Armani/ Ar(a)m(e) and different country names with ARM as their root and their irrefutable geographical situation matching the Armenian Highlands,
which leave no place for any doubt
that Armenia has existed at least since 4800 years.
(back, if you came here from further)
To find the answer, historians look to
government statistics for population figures,
especially to archival statistics, because
governments seldom deliberately lie to themselves.
They want to know their populations so they can
understand them, watch them, conscript them, and,
most importantly to a government, tax them. The
Ottomans were no different than any other
government in this situation. Like other
governments they made mistakes, particularly in
under-counting women and children. However, this
can be corrected using statistical methods. What
results is the most accurate possible picture of
the number of Ottoman Armenians. By the beginning
of World War I Armenians made up only 17 percent
of the area they claimed as " Ottoman Armenia,"
the so called "Six Vilayets." Judging by
population figures, there was no Ottoman Armenia.
In fact if all the Armenians in the world had come
to Eastern Anatolia, they still would not have
been a majority there.
Voilà, the favorite Turkish numbers game again! How they don't get tired of regurgitating this nauseating, pseudo-scientific approach is stupefying to say the least. In the previous paragraph I have given examples of the estimations of the indigenous Armenian population that have "skipped" the "professor's" attention. Once and for all: There were no official census in the Ottoman Tyranny in today's sense of the word and the whole thing was based on estimations. The fact that the ruling class, out of fear most probably, wanted to present itself the majority, is reason enough to deflate the number of the minorities. The conman even admits that they were "under-counting women and children" especially those they stole for their evil purposes.
"To find the answer," why doesn't the "historian look to government statistics" regarding the sheer number of Armenian churches for instance?
Over 95% out of at least 2200 working Armenian churches accounted for in 1912 are now destroyed. According to a 1974 UNESCO account, from the 913 monuments still standing after the genocide 464 were totally destroyed, 252 were turned in ruins and 197 needed serious restoration. Beside the fact that they are trying to erase every trace of Armenians, yet another irrefutable proof of the Armenian Genocide, one must ask 2200 churches for how many people? If you think about it, there must have been well over 3 million Armenians living under Ottoman Tyranny before the Genocide and not less. If we were to estimate the real number of Armenians, we have to bear in mind that:
I. The Turks had been stealing and raping women in their filthy harems and usurping healthy boys for janissary for centuries.
II. There was a policy of forced turkification to increase the number of the Turks and to eliminate the non-Turkish majority who lived between them and their Central Asian kin, hence the birth of Pan-Turkism.
Also the fact that babies were
"ravished from the embraces of their mothers and mercilessly hurled against rocks" ever since they set hoof this side of the Caspian, we have to conclude from the 70 million population of today's Asia Minor at least 30 million should have been Armenians.
Two inferences can be drawn from the
relatively small number of Armenians in the
Ottoman East: The first is that by themselves, the
Armenians of Anatolia would have been no great
threat to the Ottoman Empire. Armenian rebels
might have disputed civil order but there were too
few of them to endanger Ottoman authority.
Armenian rebels needed help from outside forces,
help that could only be provided by Russia. The
second inference is that Armenian nationalists
could have created a state that was truly theirs
only if they first evicted the Muslims who lived
The "all" knowing sage draws two inferences with his fat butt and he expects people who have actually read real history books, would buy that excrement. And he's totally right that "the Armenians of Anatolia would have been no great threat to the Ottoman Empire" and they never were. In fact the ignorant jester wouldn't want to know that the Armenians built the Ottoman "Empire". The slime ball rolling over an ancient nation's untarnished reputation, trying to rub off the slime that doesn't stick and makes him an uglier liar, wants the uninformed reader to believe the Armenians received Russian help, but my copy of the "Story of Dashnaktsoutiun", in Armenian if you please, tells me that the party was loathed and feared by the Czarist Russia, because of its revolutionary ideology and they smuggled the weapons they needed themselves, putting their lives on the line. Now it's the turn of the uneducated "wise man" to show a document that proves any Russian help to the independence seeking Armenian revolutionaries. The second wily inference is even more stinking, because firstly, the Muslim population was artificially settled in Armenian land to harass and chase the Armenians out of their thousands year homeland, secondly it was the Armenians who were "evicted" from their motherland which is populated with as many Muslims as the Turk loving "professor" can wish.
To understand the history of the
development of Muslim-Armenian antagonism one must
apply historical principles. In applying those
principles one can see that the history of
Armenians was a history like other histories. Some
of that history was naturally unique because of
its environment but much of it was strikingly
similar to what was seen in other places and
The unprincipled scoundrel has never seen the cover of a history book. He has never bothered to study the Arab invasion of Armenia and over 250 years of resistance to these tyrants, he doesn't want to know what the Armenians had to take under Persian Khans, worst than all the ignoble, ignominious ignoramus doesn't care a hang for the thousand year humiliation and extortion of the Armenians under his beloved species, hell no... By cunningly describing the Turco-Armenian problem as "Muslim-Armenian antagonism", the thug intends to steer up anti-Armenian feeling among Muslims for obvious reasons.
Of course it has escaped his sick mind that despite historic tragedies, the Armenians have never underlined the Muslim-Armenian side of the problem. In fact the Armenians have always emphasized that they are grateful to the Arabs for sheltering the survivors of the Genocide and they have always maintained good relations with Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iran and other Muslim nations. Most of all Armenians haven't spared anything in helping their host nations' progress in all fields.
1. Most ethnic conflicts develop
over a long period. Germans and Poles, Finns and
Russians, Hindus and Muslims in the Indian
subcontinent, Irish and English, Europeans and
Native Americans in North America -- all of these
ethnic conflicts unfolded over generations, often
2. Until very modern times most mass
mortality of ethnic groups was the result of
warfare in which there were at least two warring
"most mass mortality"... does this idiot speak English or what? So, we have to conclude diseases took less mass mortality. The guy's some expert.
3. When conflict erupted between
nationalist revolutionaries and states it was the
revolutionaries who began confrontations. Internal
peace was in the interest of settled states.
Looked at charitably, states often wished for
tranquility for the benefits it gave their
citizens. With less charity it can be seen that
peace made it easier to collect taxes and use
armies to fight foreign enemies, not internal
foes. World history demonstrates this too well for
examples from other regions to be needed here. In
the Ottoman Empire, the examples of the rebellions
in Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria demonstrate the
truth of this.
Yeah, lazy smart ass, "World history demonstrates this too well for examples from other regions " so why care cite examples from the region in question?
Why do we want to know that:
To humiliate the non-Muslims, as early as 1588 Armenian men among other minorities, had to wear black head coverings. According to Ricaut this gave the Muslims the assurance who they could treat cruelly without the fear of being prosecuted by the law. Because a Christian attacked by a Turk didn’t have the right to defend themselves, the only way out was escape. Otherwise they had to let themselves be abused and humiliated without being allowed to hit back (M. Febvre, L’état présent de la Turquie où il est traité des vies mœurs et coutumes des Ottomans et autres peuples de leur Empire, p.152, Paris 1675).
What difference would it make if we mentioned en passant that:
To avoid this danger that was permanently hanging above their heads, some reaya would clothe themselves differently but even in 1757 this didn’t escape the attention of the rulers. According to Vasif, “The Greek, Armenian and Jewish subjects had trespassed the Sharia with their clothing. Therefore, the Greek and Armenian patriarchs and the Jewish religious leaders were summoned to the head officer (Aga) in Istanbul to be reminded of the dress code commanded by the padishah, they were also warned if these obligations weren’t observed immediately the offenders would be severely punished (Tarihi Vasif, 1827)
Or who cares when the hard working Armenian reaya had to give everything they produced and some to the greedy Ottoman bandits without any protest, as recorded In Koçi Bey's "Risale" (report) presented to sultan Murad IV in 1631-1632:
"In the beginning 40 to 50 akce was imposed on each household as "avaris". Today 240 akce per capita as "cizye", another 300 per household as "avaris" and an akce for every sheep as sheep tax is being imposed. The Sipahi officers of six regiments have taken the collecting of the sultan's tax in their hands. They have violently seized the accounting books from the tax-collectors. These are for sale in broad daylight, in front of everyone's eyes at the entrance of sultan Muhammed mosque, for the price of one and a half akce gulamiye. The buyers that wouldn't be satisfied with one kurus have started to take 700 to 800 akce for "cizye" and 30 to 40 akce for every sheep in the land of Islam. How can the "raya" tolerate such oppression..."
Certainly it is of no significance, and it shouldn't stir the loyal subjects to protest that:
"Devsirme", the collecting and conversion of Christians, mainly for janissary purposes, that was the order of the day from 14th to 19th centuries, expressed itself as legitimized oppression. According to Selaniki the Turkish annals writer: "The rulers of the time were ruthless in recruiting children... Like wolves attacking sheep, they mercilessly assaulted the reaya in the land. As a result they have robbed the rich reaya, while they have ravished the children of the poor and ruined their families"
On these principles, the histories of Turks
and Armenians are no different from other
histories. Historical principles applied.
Read the above and get a life, you shame of all historians.
The conflict between Turks and Armenians
did indeed develop over a long time. The primary
impetus for what was to become the Armenian-Muslim
conflict lay in Russian imperial expansion. At the
time of Ivan the Terrible, circa the sixteenth
century, Russians began a policy of expelling
Muslims from lands they had conquered. Over the
next three hundred years, Muslims, many of them
Turks, were killed or driven out of what today is
Ukraine, Crimea and the Caucasus. From the 1770s
to the 1850s Russian attacks and Russian laws
forced more than 400,000 Crimean Tatars to flee
their land. In the Caucasus region, 1.2 million
Circassians and Abazians were either expelled or
killed by Russians. Of that number, one third died
as victims of the mass murder of Muslims that has
been mostly ignored. The Tatars, Circassians and
Abazians came to the Ottoman Empire. Their
presence taught Ottoman Muslims what they could
expect from a Russian conquest.
Besides the fact that the "Muslims" i.e. Turks were not the indigenous people of the region and their presence was the result of countless barbaric invasions that brought nothing but death and destruction and stopped the normal progress of the people who lived in the area for thousands of years, one cannot help asking what the hell this so called Russian atrocities have to do with the Armenians. The "scholar" has suffered brain short-circuit. His hatred for the Russians as a result of his Cold War upbringing has damaged his brain so severely that he cannot distinguish between two totally distinct ethnicities.
Members of the Armenian minority in the
Caucasus began to rebel against Muslim rule and to
ally themselves with Russian invaders in the
1790s: Armenian armed units joined the Russians,
Armenian spies delivered plans to the Russians. In
these wars, Muslims were massacred and forced into
exile. Armenians in turn migrated into areas
previously held by Muslims, such as Karabakh. This
was the beginning of the division of the peoples
of the southern Caucasus and eastern Anatolia into
two conflicting sides -- the Russian Empire and
Armenians on one side, the Muslim Ottoman Empire
on the other. Most Armenians and Muslims
undoubtedly wanted nothing to do with this
conflict, but the events were to force them to
"Armenian armed units"??!! "Armenian spies"!!?? Where does this charlatan get these ideas from? Russian invaders? The Ottomans were the indigenous people of Armenia and Asia Minor since the days of the dinosaurs.
Artsakh (Karabagh) has been the last bastion of Armenian independence. The Melikdoms of Karabagh are the unshakable evidence. Yes, Eastern Armenia was under Persian rule. Yes, Armenians were relieved when Russia "liberated" this part of their land from the tyranny of the khans. What do you want? Aren't Armenians entitled to 10% of their historic land? What does he know of the reason the area was emptied of Armenians and Muslims were settled in their place?
What does the con historian know of my own ancestors who were forcefully migrated to Iran by Shah Abbas (himself of Turkish origin) in 1604, who was engaged in a war against the Ottomans. He burned the entire region to cut the supply routes thus, the advance of the Ottoman army.
It's believed that out of two to three hundred thousand Armenians forcefully relocated, about half died, mostly drowning in the Arax River. However, the Iranian Armenians have forgotten the dark days and since Shah Abbas settled them in an area near Isfahan and let them build a new city that the Armenians called Nor Jugha (New Julfa) in memory of their home, they flourished and became a respected and influential minority and unlike in the Ottoman Tyranny they were never subject to genocidal madness.
Here I demand the scamp to produce ONE map or document from before the Armenian Genocide that calls Armenia "Eastern Anatolia". Otherwise he has to put a cork in his rectum to prevent this sort of excretion. Finally the fabricated claim that "Armenians in turn migrated into areas previously held by Muslims, such as Karabakh" is answered in the excerpt below, from George Bournoutian's exposing of Armenian hating pseudo-scholars who out of desperate need for non-existing "proofs", maliciously distort his views and misquote him to defend their lame and bogus arguments:
"Prior to Soviet rule, the Russians conducted a number of surveys in the different regions of Transcaucasia.(2) Although not as accurate as a present-day census might be, the surveys were the first of their kind in Western Asia. In 1822, the Russian administration decided to determine the Armenian population in Transcaucasia. The survey was primarily to determine how many "non-Orthodox" Christians there were in the region.(3) The survey managed to record the number of Armenians in Georgia, Ganje (Elisavetpol), and Baku.(4) Erevan and Nakhichevan were under Persian rule and were not included. The Khan of Karabakh, Mahdi-qoli, fearing that the Armenian-populated districts might be removed from his control, did not permit the survey in Karabakh. Later that year, he fled to Persia, and the Russians were able to commence their first survey of Karabakh. The survey began in early 1823 and was completed on 17 April of that same year.(5) Its more than 300 pages recorded both the Armenian and Muslim population, not by numbers, but by villages and tax assessments. It noted that the district of Khachen had twelve Armenian villages and no Tatar (Russian term for the Turkish population) villages; Jalapert had eight Armenian villages and no Tatar villages; Dizak had fourteen Armenian villages and one Tatar village; Gulistan had two Armenian and five Tatar villages; and Varanda had twenty-three Armenian villages and one Tatar village. Thus the five mountainous districts (generally known as Nagorno-Karabakh today) which, according to Persian and Turkish sources, constituted the five (khamse) Armenian melikdoms,(6) had an overwhelming Armenian population before 1828.(7)
The mahal of Tat'ew had twelve Armenian and one Tatar village; that of Kiopar, six Armenian villages; and Bargushat, two Armenian and three Tatar villages. Thus these mahals, which form part of present-day Zangezur and were a part of the larger region called Karabakh, were also overwhelmingly Armenian. Armenians were also represented, in small numbers, in all the other non-nomadic districts of Karabakh."
2. The first survey was conducted in Georgia at the start of the nineteenth century, and the last was the complete survey of Transcaucasia in 1897.
3. The Georgian Church was in communion with the Russian Orthodox Church.
4. Akty sobrannye Kavkzskoiu Arkheograficheskoiu Kommissieiu (Documents Pertaining to the Russian Administration of the Caucasus), VI/1 (Tiflis, 1866), doc. 601.
5. The survey, conducted by State Counselor Mogilevskii and Colonel Ermolov II (a relative of General Ermolov, commander-in-chief of the Caucasus), was printed in Tiflis in 1866 (no pagination).
6. For example see Tarikh-e Qarabagh, written by Mirza Jamal Javanshir, the vizier of Ebrahim Khan of Karabagh, manuscript no. B-712/11603, Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan, Baku (my English translation and the facsimile in A History of Qarabagh [Costa Mesa, CA: Mazda Publishers, 1993]).
7. The survey lists Goris and Khan-Kend (present-day Step'anakert, capital of Nagorno-Karabakh) as Armenian settlements.
The 1827 to 1829 wars between Russians,
Persians and Ottomans saw the beginning of a great
population exchange in the East that was to last
until 1920. When the Russians conquered the Erivan
Khanete, today the Armenian Republic, the majority
of its population was Muslim. Approximately two
thirds, 60,000 of these Muslims were forced out of
Erivan by Russians. The Russians went on to invade
Anatolia, where large numbers of Armenians took up
the Russian cause. At the war's end, when the
Russians left eastern Anatolia 50 to 90,000
Armenians joined them. They took the place of the
exiled Muslims in Erivan and else where, joined by
40,000 Armenians from Iran.
A thorn in your Mongol eye and a trunk in your slandering butt, this tiny, little, rocky, craggy resource-less land should also be the Devil given property of the Turks so that the diabolical Pan-Turkist sick dream would come true. The despicable rascal has a way of showing his dull and faded genocidal colors. "...large numbers of Armenians took up the Russian cause", we have to believe the "learned" liar. And what were 40,000 Armenians doing in Iran? They just grew on trees in Iran...
One more thing: The city is called Yerevan you insolent, castrated, whining, whimpering swine.
The great population exchange had begun,
and mutual distrust between Anatolia's Muslims and
the Armenians was the result. The Russians were to
invade Anatolia twice more in the nineteenth
century, during the Crimean War and the 1877-78
Russo-Turkish War. In both wars significant
numbers of Armenians joined the Russians acting as
spies and even occupation police.
"mutual distrust between Anatolia's Muslims and the Armenians...", "spies and even occupation police.", give us a break! From Mikael Varandian's "History of Dashnaktsoutioun":
"After the (Russo-Turkish H.) war the situation got even worse...a landscape of destruction and horrors unfolded before the eyes of the Armenians, the like of which Ottoman Armenia had not seen in centuries.
Ottoman Armenians had performed their duty to the Ottoman State with utmost loyalty. 20-30,000 Armenians had toiled like actual beasts of burden, carrying cannons and ammunition to remote places and generally doing the heaviest labor. The state had plundered the Armenian people, they had taken everything to cover the costs of the war... Not a single protest, not one Ottoman Armenian volunteer in the Russian army, not a single uprising among the Armenians of the Caucasus, and despite all of this the Ottoman Armenia was subjected to immeasurable destruction, carnage, pillage, atrocities by the irregular Turkish forces and Kurds, hundreds of villages burned to cinders, desecrated churches and monasteries, lawlessness, fear and terror, disorder and migration... Inhabitants of entire provinces evacuated and moved towards the Russian border, where the inevitable calamities, hunger and disease were awaiting tens of thousands of refugees."
In Erzurum, for example, British consular
officials reported that the Armenian police chief
appointed by the Russians and his Armenian force
"molested, illtreated, and insulted the Mohammadan
population," and that 6,000 Muslim families had
been forced to flee the city. When the Russians
left part of their conquest at least 25,000
Armenians joined them, fearing the vengeance of
the Muslims. The largest migration though was the
forced flight of 70,000 Muslims, mainly Turks,
from the lands conquered by the Russians and the
exodus of Laz in 1882.
An account of monthly atrocities in Van from the September 30th, 1871 issue of the Armenian paper "Mamoul":
"It's almost impossible to mention the criminal acts that happened this month one by one... As well as all counts of rape, among the victims a seven year old girl raped by a Turk, to humiliate our nation. As a result a number of people have come to the conclusion that it's advisable to consider conversion... At least that can be considered as a kind of freedom... In Van they (Turk and Kurd bandits) Attack, kill, burn, rape, plunder whenever they feel like it..."
An account of a sitting of the Ottoman Parliament is recorded in the July 19th, 1877 issue of "Masis", an Armenian paper published in Constantinople, where the representative of Karin, Hamazasp Ballarian has spoken about the Kurdish issue:
"When I asked the governors why the Kurds weren't punished, for which purpose two army battalions would suffice, instead, they were allowed to inflict atrocities without restrictions, they answered me that there was a hikmeti hokumet (state secret, hidden wisdom) in this. I finally figured out what that secret was. It is to crush any possible Armenian uprising by the Kurds. Also, in case of a war against Russia, the Kurds can be used as a volunteer force to aid the Ottoman army."
Because of the "Armenian police chief appointed by the Russians and his Armenian force...6,000 Muslim families had been forced to flee the city". Wow! It's true that there were Armenian officers in the Russian army (at least there they didn't have to function as beasts of burden, who would YOU choose between the two?), but the objective scholar who takes all the "facts" into account, fails to distinguish between Armenians living under different tyrannies.
Supporting the myth that Turks and Armenians lived like brothers and had equal rights (some Armenians were more equal than the Turks!), the professor of revisionism wouldn't like to examine "Armenia and the Campaign of 1877" by Charles Boswell Norman, a reporter of the English Times, where he describes the bestialities committed against the Armenians by the Turks and the Kurds, emphesizing that "The subject is too painful to need any coloring". He describes the pillage and the carnage done in Bayazed, Van, Bitlis, Alashkert, etc. See also Emil Dilo's accounts of the time.
It's noteworthy that the shameless, brazenfaced liars have dared to misuse this actual person and have attributed a ficticious manuscript allegedly written by Norman and kept in "The Institute of the Turkish Revolution" (of all places! And not in Britain for instance) that condemns the Armenians! How pathetic.
By 1900, approximately 1,400,000 Turkish
and Caucasian Muslims had been forced out by
Russians. One third of those had died, either
murdered or victims of starvation and disease.
Between 125,000 and 150,000 Armenians emigrated
from Ottoman Anatolia to Erivan and other parts of
the Russian southern Caucasus.
What is the fault of Armenians that "One third of those had died, either murdered or victims of starvation and disease"?
The blackened, hateful "heart" of the scumbag cannot let him utter the word Armenia... No way, Armenians didn't have the right to live anywhere on this planet, neither in "Eastern Anatolia" nor in "Russian southern Caucasus". How objective and non-selective...
This was the toll of Russian imperialism.
Not only had one-and-a-half million people been
exiled or killed, but ethnic peace had been
The "philosopher" in the "historian" muses... Go on, take it out on the Armenians...Didn't you know they were responsible for the earthquake on the moon?
The Muslims had been taught that their
neighbors, the Armenians, with whom they had lived
for more than 700 years, might once again become
their enemies when the Russians next advanced. The
Russians had created the two sides that history
teaches were to be expected in conflict and mass
The pig has some imagination... Justify genocide, it's the right punishment for the Armenians who had suffered 900 years of Turkish barbarity and had given everything they had including their genes, who had almost built the Ottoman "Empire", who had pioneered every single possible idea in every imaginable cultural, economical, industrial, architectural field. "...that history teaches were to be expected in conflict and mass murder", some English!
The actions of Armenian rebels exacerbated
the growing division and mutual fear between
Muslims and Armenians of the Ottoman East.
The uprising of the Armenians, much later than all the other subjects of the Ottoman Tyranny, even those less culturally developed, was a natural evolution of circumstances. It resulted in the liberation of a small portion of the historic Armenian homeland and it saved the Armenian nation from total annihilation, much to the dismay of the Turkish phallus eating historian.
The main Armenian revolutionary
organizations were founded in the 1880s and 1890s
in the Russian Empire. They were socialist and
nationalist in ideology. Terrorism was their
weapon of choice. Revolutionaries openly stated
that their plan was the same as that which had
worked well against the Ottoman Empire in
Bulgaria. In Bulgaria rebels had first massacred
innocent Muslim villagers. The Ottoman government,
occupied with a war against Serbs in Bosnia,
depended on the local Turks to defeat the rebels,
which they did, but with great losses of life.
European newspapers reported Bulgarians deaths,
but never Muslim deaths. Europeans did not
consider that the deaths were a result of the
rebellion, nor the Turk's intention. The Russians
invaded ostensibly to save the Christians. The
result was the death of 260,000 Turks, 17 percent
of the Muslim population of Bulgaria, and the
expulsion of a further 34 percent of Turks. The
Armenian rebels expected to follow the same plan.
Oh, poor Ottoman "Empire", how just and humane you were that after all the good you had done, your ungrateful "subjects" revolted against you and demanded that your filthy paws be kept away from their pillaged and ruined homelands... I'd like to know what this swine thinks of the "Democracy" rhetoric his imperialist state preaches to the "savage" world all the time to satiate its limitless greed for oil. This "scholar" never seems the need to inquire the how and why of the presence of these "Muslims" in those Christian countries?
The Armenian rebellion began with the
organization of guerilla bands made up of
Armenians from both the Russian and Ottoman lands.
Arms were smuggled in. Guerillas assassinated
Ottoman officials, attacked Muslim villages, and
used bombs, the nineteenth century's terrorist's
standard weapon. By 1894 the rebels were ready for
open revolution. Revolts broke out in Samsun,
Zeytun, Van and elsewhere in 1894 and 1895. As in
Bulgaria they began with the murder of innocent
civilians. The leader of the Zeytun rebellion said
his forces had killed 20,000 Muslims. As in
Bulgaria the Muslims retaliated. In Van for
example 400 Muslims and 1,700 Armenians died.
Further rebellions followed. In Adana in 1909 the
Armenian revolt turned out very badly for both the
rebels and the innocent when the government lost
control and 17,000 to 20,000 died, mostly
Armenians. Throughout the revolts and especially
in 1894 and 1897 the Armenians deliberately
attacked Kurdish tribesmen, knowing that it was
from them that great vengeance was not that likely
to be expected. Pitched battles between Kurds and
"In Van for example 400 Muslims and 1,700 Armenians died... the government lost control and 17,000 to 20,000 died, mostly Armenians." Confession is good for the soul, if creatures of the species to which the "professor" belongs have a soul. Now I would like to know the meaning of "losing control", if it's anything other than what happens to psychopathic murderers.
From "The Key Distortions and Falsehoods in the Denial of the Armenian Genocide", by Zoryan Institute:
The Redundancy of the Argument of Armenian Rebelliousness
The four instances of uprising were not only isolated, local, and disconnected incidents but, above all, they were improvised, last-ditch acts of desperation to resist imminent deportation and thereby avert annihilation. Being strictly defensive undertakings, practically all of the insurgents involved perished in the course of the operations regular Turkish army units launched against them to suppress the insurgency. By sheer chance and fortuitous circumstance only the insurgents of the Van uprising managed to survive when at last they were liberated by the advance units of the Russian Caucasus Army, which overwhelmed the surrounding Turkish defense positions and captured the city of Van. The term "chance" calls for emphasis, for but for the timely arrival of the Russian military units, the insurgents of Van were likewise doomed, given the inevitable depletion of their meager resources of defense, including ammunition and weapons, and the mounting casualties they were sustaining. A delay of two or three days in the arrival of the Russians would surely have sealed the fate of the desperate defenders. The following testimony of Vice Marshal Pomiankowski, mentioned above, (the preceding section of the article H.) succinctly encapsulates this plight of the Armenians. He characterized the Van uprising as "an act of despair" because the Armenians "recognized that the general butchery had begun in the environs of Van and that they would be the next victims."3 A similar judgment was expressed by Metternich, German ambassador to Turkey, and a Venezuelan military officer of Spanish extraction who was in charge of the artillery battery relentlessly bombarding and reducing the Armenian defense positions in Van. His eyewitness testimony has extraordinary value because, as he put it, he was "the only Christian who witnessed the Armenian massacres and the deportations in an official capacity...."4
3. Joseph Pomiankowski, Der Zusammenbruch des Ottomanischen Reiches (The collapse of the Ottoman Empire). Graz, Austria, 1969, p. 160.
4. German Foreign Ministry Archives, A.A. Türkei 183/40, A25749, September 18, 1916 report, p. 25. This source contains Ambassador Metternich's reference. For the Venezuelan officer's account, see Rafael de Nogales, Four Years Beneath the Crescent. M. Lee, trans. New York: Scribner's, 1926, pp. 1, 72-97.
But it all went wrong for the Armenian
rebels. They had followed the Bulgarian plan,
killing Muslims and initiating revenge attacks on
Armenians. Their own people had suffered most. Yet
the Russians and Europeans they depended upon did
not intervene. European politics and internal
problems stayed the Russian hand.
Take out the intentional falsification "killing Muslims and initiating revenge attacks on Armenians", as if the Turks had done nothing but deliver cookies to the Armenians for 900 years, and the above paragraph becomes a true account of the fate of the Armenians.
What were the Armenian rebels trying to
create? When Serbs and Bulgarians rebelled against
the Ottoman Empire they claimed lands where the
majorities were Serbs or Bulgarians. They expelled
Turks and other Muslims from their lands, but
these Muslims had not been a majority. This was
not true for the Armenians.
This has already been rebutted in previous sections.
The lands they covered were overwhelmingly
Muslim in population.
The lands they COVERED, the excrement that covers the entire putrefied cadaver of the hypocrite, has entirely obstructed his "view".
The only way they could create an Armenia
was to expel the Muslims. Knowing this history is
essential to understanding what was to come during
World War I. There had been a long historical
period in which two conflicting sides developed.
The only way the Turks could realize their diabolical plan of uniting the savages in the Ottoman "Empire" with their nomadic kin in the steppes of Central Asia was to "expel" the indigenous Armenians from their homeland of thousands of years. Stop copycatting and replacing "Turks" with "Armenians" in your version of "history" if you cannot come up with something more original.
Russian imperialists and Armenian
revolutionaries had begun a struggle that was in
no way wanted by the Ottomans. Yet the Ottomans
were forced to oppose the plans of both Russians
and Armenians, if only to defend the majority of
their subjects. History taught the Ottomans that
if the Armenians triumphed not only would
territory be lost, but mass expulsions and deaths
would be the fate of the Muslim majority. This was
the one absolutely necessary goal of the Armenian
"Armenian revolutionaries" were the scourge of "Russian imperialists", how come the slime ball doesn't mention this, I wonder?
The despicable manner in which the despicable falsifier justifies genocide and depicts the Ottoman Tyranny as a benevolent state doing what was most rightful to do, is so sickening that doesn't need any comment.
The preview to what was to come in the
Great War came in the Russian Revolution of 1905.
Harried all over the Empire, the Russians
encouraged ethnic conflict in Azerbaijan,
fomenting an inter-communal war. Azeri Turks and
Armenians battled each other when they should have
attacked the Empire that ruled over both. Both
Turks and Armenians learned the bitter lesson that
the other was the enemy, even though most of them
wanted nothing of war and bloodshed. The sides
You dried morsel of rat defecation, Azerbaijan had yet to be artificially inseminated between Turkish phallus and Russian Bolshevik anus in 1918. "Azeri Turks" refers to a fictitious "nation" that has never existed in history. Azari was referred to the language spoken in the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) northwest of Iran by Arab historians, and it was a dialect of Persian Pahlavi language. Later, when the region was turkified under Iranian dynasties of Turkic origin, the appellation still designated the language (by then Turkish) of the people.
A summary of the Armenian-Tatar clashes of 1905 from Varandian's "History of Dashnaktsoutioun"
The non-selective historian refers vaguely to the Armenian-Tatar clashes in 1905-1906 confirming yet again the genocidal nature of the Tatars (later to "redefine" themselves as "Azeris").
The Tatars of the Caucasus, especially the upper classes: the khans, the land owners, the begs and aghas, who were used to seeing Armenians as loyal slaves that didn't dare raise their heads, had preserved certain privileges even under Russian rule, and had usurped vast areas of fertile land in Russian Armenia, couldn't stand the rapid progress of the Armenians in cultural and commercial fields. Although there were no clashes, the tension was palpable. The jealous hatred of Armenians manifested itself most obviously in Baku, where the "elite" of the Tatar community was centered, among which the bourgeois, the rich and the influential, fanatical clergy that received its fuel for hate speeches from Constantinople.
The Armenians that had migrated to Baku in 1880's, had engaged in buying oil wells from the Tatars along with Russians, Jews and Europeans, and as a result of their industriousness, had rapidly succeeded and in less than thirty years they occupied the highest posts in the oil producing council and other international companies. Consequently, this drew large numbers of Armenian laborers and businessmen from other eastern Armenian provinces. This was unbearable for the Tatars, whose majority were backward, fanatical, illiterate and untalented in business.
Another reason was the struggle of the Armenians the other side of the border to liberate their homeland, along with the demonstrations and revolt in the Caucasus against the Czarist state. This had stupefied the Tatars that had always viewed the Armenians as effeminate and coward slaves who shook before the Turks and the Persians. They now imagined that the same Armenians would someday, after the fall of the Czarist regime, establish their independent homeland and oppress the Tatars. Therefore they started spreading myths, the same way the sham professor does today, about the Armenian "conspiracy".
Not surprisingly the Tatar elite took the side of the Czarists in those days of Russian revolutionary movement. They thought it an opportune moment to crush the revolution and the Armenian hopes by joining forces with the Armenian hating Czarist state.
Unable to compete with the Armenians in the cultural and commercial fields, the Tatars opted, like their kin in Constantinople, for their much loved and preferred method, physical extermination.
They armed and incited the mobs in Baku, the Russians providing the arms themselves. Hand in hand they "trained" the criminal elements, spread lies about imminent attacks by Armenian Committees and succeeded in this provocation despite the fact that the Turks were the majority in Baku. Thus, the Tatars were already confident that any atrocities against the Armenians would go unpunished and that the government was also on their side. The clergy on the other hand, fueled the religious fanaticism of the backward mobs and invited them to jihad against the Armenians that were going to attack Islam and explode their mosques!
The desired pretext didn't come a minute too late. Early February 1905, a group of Russian soldiers were transporting Ashurbegov, a Turkish criminal, from court to prison. The convict tried to escape. The Russians, among whom an Armenian soldier, opened fire and by sheer chance, it was the bullet from the Armenian soldier's gun that killed the criminal. The Turks took notice and cried havoc and decided to take revenge on Armenians. A couple of days passed.
On 6th of February Armenians had gathered in the Armenian church yard. The soldier was among them. A Tatar called Babayev approached and shot and wounded him. The Armenians caught Babayev and handed him to the police, but he got away. Some Armenian youth followed him and caught and killed the offender. This triggered the bloody clashes...
For non-Armenian accounts of the conflict, below is a sample from Luigi Villari's "Fire and Sword in the Caucasus"
"In 1858 an attempt was made to extract petroleum from the crude naphtha, and in 1863 the first refinery was founded by the Armenian Melikoff. Armenians were indeed the pioneers of the industry, although Russians and foreigners soon rushed to Baku in large numbers.
The trade of Baku, especially the shipping trade, is wholly in Tartar hands, and M. Taghieff, who laid the foundations of his fortune by selling a plot of petroliferous land, owns a whole fleet of steamers ; the money-lenders are also all Tartars. But in spite of their wealth and the business ability of a few of them, the great majority are mere primitive savages. To the Armenians above all is the development of Baku due (emphasis is mine H.), for they were the first to work the oil-fields on a large scale and on modern lines ; they perform a large part of the skilled labour, and among them most of the managers, engineers, as well as many capitalists, are to be found. The British public supplied a considerable share of the capital invested, and there are several Englishmen and other foreigners in prominent positions. The roughest unskilled work (chornaya rabota) is performed by the Tartars, Lezghins, and Persians ; the skilled work by the Armenians and Russians ; the management by Armenians, Russians, and foreigners. Lately, since the disorders, many of the Armenian and Tartar workmen fled, and there has been a considerable influx of Russians in consequence.
...The Tartars have always considered Baku as a Tartar city. The Tartar khans have ruled it for centuries, the great bulk of the native population of the whole province is Tartar, and the general character of the country until the recent influx of foreigners was mainly Tartar and Mohammedan. But the Armenians, with their superior education, their greater intelligence and push, have acquired an increasing influence in the town and the industry (emphasis is mine H.), and have edged the Tartars out of many professions.
One fact which struck me very forcibly during my stay at Baku was the extreme bitterness of the foreign element against the Armenians ; its sympathies, save in two or three instances, seemed wholly on the side of the Tartars.
...Quite apart from the greater personal charm of the Moslem over the Armenian, the views of foreign financiers and managers are greatly influenced by the fact that they are in close commercial competition with the Armenians.(emphasis is mine H.)
...Then, since the Government instituted persecutions against them and their Church, they indulged in political agitation, which, if not primarily directed against the capitalists, did cause them loss by disturbing the general conditions of the town. This explains the attitude of the foreigners, and accounts for their bitterness against the Armenians. One prominent Englishman said to me that he would be glad to see the whole Armenian nation wiped out! (emphasis is mine H.)
Prince Golytzin, who had been busy carrying out his anti-Armenian policy, had a few weeks before executed the confiscation of the Church property ; in October his life was attempted. Early in 1904 Prince Nakashidze, a Georgian noble, who as Vice-Governor of Erivan had been actively implicated in the said confiscation, was appointed Governor of Baku. His arrival coincided with a recrudescence of Armeno-Tartar hostility...
...the hatred of the two races increased, and the Governor did nothing to reconcile them. On the contrary, he was perpetually talking of an Armeno-Tartar pogrom as imminent; he openly encouraged the Tartars, and treated the Armenians with marked coldness... (emphasis is mine H.)
Early in February a Tartar shopkeeper named Gashum Beg, who had assaulted several Armenian boys and girls, was attacked by an Armenian and wounded, but he succeeded in killing his assailant. He was subsequently arrested, and as he was trying to escape a soldier of the escort, also an Armenian, shot him dead. The assailant proved to be a member of the revolutionary committee, but the Armenians deny that that association ordered him to kill Gashum Beg, and state that he had been deputed to do so by the family of one of the boys he had assaulted. A relative of Gashum Beg's, a rich Tartar named Babaieff, determined, according to the Tartar custom of vendetta, to avenge him, and a few days later tried to shoot an Armenian in the courtyard of the church, who had been pointed out to him as the man who had killed Gashum Beg ; but he failed, and in the émeute which ensued, another Armenian killed him. This deed caused great excitement in the town, and Prince Nakashidze summoned some Armenian journalists to his Chancery, and delivered them a long discourse on the dangers of an Armeno-Tartar pogrom. He declared that if the Tartars did rise against the Armenians he would be powerless to defend them, as he had not enough troops, and the police were unreliable, many of them being Tartars. In fact one of the said Armenians told me that parts of this speech corresponded almost word for word with the report which the Governor made after the massacre, which suggests that he had foreseen the whole affair.
The body of Babaieff was carried in procession through the Tartar quarter, and exposed to view. Had Prince Nakashidze wished to prevent trouble he would have stopped the procession (emphasis is mine H.); the sight of the murdered man roused the Moslems to fury, and on the 19th of February they proceeded to massacre every Armenian they came across (emphasis is mine H.). The Armenians defended themselves as best they could, but the Tartars were much more numerous and better armed. The authorities remained absolutely passive, and to the frenzied appeals for help which Prince Nakashidze was constantly receiving from hard-pressed Armenians besieged in their own houses, he replied that he had no troops and could do nothing, although as a matter of fact he had 2,000 men. He was seen driving about the town openly encouraging the Tartars, and slapping them on the back; and on one occasion, happening to see some too officious soldiers disarming a Tartar, he ordered them to give the man back his rifle, which of course they did ! M. Adamoff, one of the richest Armenians in Baku, was besieged for three days in his own house, and being a first-rate shot he killed a number of his assailants with his own hand; at last he and his son were shot dead, the Tartars set fire to the house, rushed in and butchered all the inmates. A similar fate befell Lalaieff, another rich Armenian, who defended himself until ammunition gave out, after which his house was burnt and the whole household killed. To his appeals for help the Governor made no reply, but came himself when all was over.
...The Armenians, however, took vengeance into their own hands, and on May 24th Prince Nakashidze was blown up by a bomb. As for his own guilt in this matter there can, I think, be no doubt whatever.
...The impunity of the Baku massacres encouraged the Tartars in other parts of the
country. An account of the outbreak at Nakhitchevan, which was the outcome of the Baku
disturbance, will be given in another Chapter...."
And the story goes on and on, until Sumgait, Baku and Gandzak massacres in our day and age.
13 September 1905 — in the Paris edition of the New York Herald:
Holy War Waged
St. Petersburg: The districts of Zangezur and Jebrail are swarming with Tartar bands under the leadership of chiefs, and in some cases accompanied by Tartar police officials. Green banners are carried and a ‘Holy War' is being proclaimed. All Armenians, without distinction of sex or age are being massacred. Many thousand Tartar horsemen have crossed the Perso-Russian frontier and joined the insurgents. Horrible scenes attended the destruction of the village of Minkind. Three hundred Armenians were massacred and mutilated. The children were thrown to the dogs and the few survivors were forced to embrace Islamism.
In late 1914, inter-communal conflict began
in the Ottoman East with the Armenian rebellion.
Anatolian Armenians went to the Russian South
Caucasus for training, approximately 8,000 in
Kagizman, 6,000 in Igdir and others elsewhere.
They returned to join local rebels and revolts
erupted all over the East. The Ottoman Government
estimated 30,000 rebels in Sivas Vilayeti alone,
probably an exaggeration but indicative of the
scope of the rebellion. Military objectives were
the first to be attacked.
"probably an exaggeration..." most definitely an exaggeration. Why shouldn't the Armenians have the right to liberate their homeland from centuries long Turkish Yoke? Were they less cultured or less deserving than Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, etc. who got their freedom? What is the reason for this level of self-righteousness coming from the Genocide deniers?
Telegraph lines were cut. Roads through
strategic mountain passes were seized. The rebels
attacked Ottoman officials, particularly
recruiting officers, throughout the East. Outlying
Muslim villages were assaulted and the first
massacring of Muslims began. The rebels attempted
to take cities such as Zeytun, Mus, Sebin
Karahisar and Urfa. Ottoman armed forces which
were needed at the front were instead forced to
defend the interior.
The blatant lie is so thin that one doesn't know what to say. According to the decision of the Bureau at the eighth General Assembly of Dashnaktsoutioun in 1914, the bodies were ordered not to rebel against the Ottoman "empire".
From Ruben's "Armenian-Turkish problem":
"...despite the slaughter of 25,000 Armenians in Cilicia, Dashnaktsoutioun decided to remain calm and tried to demand that the Constitution be put to practice... But the Turkish leaders were walking along a new path that was more delusional... In 1912 Turkey was embracing a new ideal... Pan-Turanism... to turkify Turkey was the main reason that the non-Muslim and non-Turkish elements were being deported, persecuted and massacred in the country, and Turks were being settled in their places...
When, after having received facts and data from Germany and Bulgaria, they came to the conclusion that regardless of the position the Armenians took, the extermination of the Armenians, the intellectuals first, had already been planned all the same...
Dashnaktsoutioun (8th General Assembly) ordered its bodies to collaborate with the Turkish government and be with them even in the event of war (emphasis is mine H.). As a mature political organization, sensing the dire situation of the state, helped it, issuing orders to the provinces inviting the people to be loyal to Turkey (emphasis is mine H.) and as a conscientious nation, perform their citizen's duty. Talat Pasha was using Dashnaktsoutioun's loyal stand
Vardges, constantly sending telegrams to Van, Moosh and elsewhere to advise everyone to prevent any misunderstanding and to have patience to bear any bitterness without complaint.
All the Armenians of Erzerum embraced the recruitment, they were paying all the extra military taxes, they were tolerating every form of deprivation and plunder, refraining from any, although justified, objection and resistance.
In Van, there has been no serious undertaking by Tahsin Bey, before and mainly during the war, without the active collaboration of Dashnaktsoutioun (emphasis is mine H.)...
The people of Moosh and Sassoon, like the Armenians of Turkish vilayets, have been utterly loyal in the early stages of the war and have been extremely helpful to the state and the army...
Being aware of Dashnaktsoutioun's role, Servet Bey, the Mutisarrif of the time has turned to Dashnaktsoutioun time and again for help and he has got it.
They had organized:
1. A recruitment body that would go to Armenian villages to convince and encourage the youth.
2. Koryun's commission was charged to arrest and hand over the deserters.
3. Haji of Koto's commission transported supplies as far as Leez, Kop and Ghzl-Kyatuk.
4. Gegham of Erzerum's commission (Red Crescent) had engaged all the women and men incapable of fighting in diverse tasks."
So much for the garbage, repeated ad nauseam, that the Armenians, led by the Dashnaks collaborated with the Russians and stabbed "their" nation in the back.
The most successful rebel action was in the
city of Van. In March 1915 they seized the city
from a weak Ottoman garrison and proceeded to kill
all the Muslims who could not escape. Some 3,000
Kurdish villagers from the surrounding region were
herded together into the great natural bowl of
Zeve, outside the city of Van, and slaughtered.
Kurdish tribes in turn took their revenge on any
Armenian villagers they found.
See "The Redundancy of the Argument of Armenian Rebelliousness" above.
Popular opinion today knows of only one
set of deportations, more properly called forced
migrations, in Anatolia, the deportation of the
Armenians. There were in fact many forced
migrations. For the Armenians, the worst forced
migrations came when they accompanied their own
armies in retreat. Starvation and disease killed
great numbers of both, far more than fell to
It is true (if truth is illusive, that is. H.) that the Ottomans had obvious
reason to fear Armenians, (with their entire army, the Ottoman officers in every remote corner of the "empire", the Kurdish bandits with license to kill, steal, rape and plunder; and all that after the battle-ready men had already been "recruited" and executed. H.) and that forced
migration (read genocide. H.) was an age-old tool in Middle Eastern
and Balkan conflicts. It is also true that while
its troops were fighting the Russians and
Armenians (with their army of millions! Or the "scholar" forgot that he said "estimated 30,000 rebels in Sivas Vilayeti alone, probably an exaggeration" above. Liars are forgetful indeed. H.), the Ottoman Government could not and
did not properly protect the Armenian migrants (poor Ottoman Government... It breaks my heart into 1.5 million pieces. H.).
Nevertheless, more than 200,000 of the deported
Armenians reached Greater Syria and survived
(out of over two million, 200,000 (according to the "historian") survived the barbecue in the Syrian desert. H.) Those who see the evil of genocide in the forced
migrations of Armenians ignore the survival of
so many of those who were deported. (Those who are unable to see that survivors of the Genocide, who witnessed the rape, plunder, torture, mutilation and slaughter of their loved ones in front of their eyes and took their pain to their graves without seeing justice, are also victims of genocide and suffer much longer than the dead, are insensitive, antipathetic bastards. H.) They also
ignore the fact (the ignoramus has yet to present ONE, SINGLE FACT. H.) that the Armenians who were most
under Ottoman control, those in Western cities
such as Izmir, Istanbul, and Edirne, were
neither deported nor molested, presumably
because they were not a threat (this argument is so fallacious that it's not worthy of a layman Turk to bring it up. A third rate historian would think twice before fabricating such garbage, because except the cities mentioned where there was a strong foreign presence, Armenians throughout the Ottoman Tyranny were massacred and "deported". H.) If genocide is to
be considered, however, then the murders of
Turks and Kurds in 1915 and 1916 must be
included in the calculation of blame. (There was no STATE PLANNED killing of those and casualties of war, however great and painful (cf. millions of Germans and over 25 million Russians died in WWII) don't count as genocide victims and the "historian" knows it. H.) The
Armenian molestations and massacres in Cilicia (What? You mean the 25000 Armenians slaughtered in 1909 in Cilicia? H.),
deplored even by their ("their"!!! You said Armenia never existed??? H.) French and British
allies, must be judged. And the exile or death
of two-thirds of the Turks of Erivan Province,
the Armenian Republic, during the war must be
remembered. (The shameless liar knows that the incidents in 1918-1919 were the consequence of a thousand years of genocide. Armenians also have the right to have a corner on this planet to call their home, especially when that corner is just 10% of their historic homeland, 90% of which is already under Turkish occupation after total ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Armenians. (back to "explanation" part, if you clicked the link further) H.)
Historical principles were once again at
work. Rebels had begun the action and the result
was the creation of two warring sides. After the
Armenian deeds in Van and elsewhere, Muslims could
only have expected that Armenians were enemies who
could kill them. Armenians could only have feared
Muslim revenge. Most of these people had no wish
for war, but they had been driven to it. It was to
be a merciless conflict.
Redundancy... See "The Redundancy of the Argument of Armenian Rebelliousness" above.
Besides, why should Armenians always bend their necks to the Turkish scimitar? Shouldn't for once, the Armenians defend themselves against the INVADING, UNWANTED, LOATHED and DESPISED occupiers and destroyers of their own homeland? Has ANY protestation of another occupied nation EVER been condemned as much as these sporadic, desperate self-defense acts of Armenians? WHY the double standards? Are Armenians less RIGHT in their just cause than the Palestinians or the Vietnamese or the Partisans or the Iraqis... or Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Greeks and all the other nations suffering under the Ottomans?
For the next five years, total war raged in
the Ottoman East. When the Russians attacked and
occupied the East, more than a million Muslims
fled as refugees, itself an indication that they
expected to die if they remained. They were
attacked on the roads by Armenian bands as they
fled. When the Russians retreated it was the turn
of the Armenians to flee. The Russians attacked
and retreated, then attacked again, then finally
retreated for good. With each advance came the
flight of hundreds of thousands. Two wars were
fought in Eastern Anatolia, a war between the
armies of Russia and the Ottomans and a war
between local Muslims and Armenians. In the war
between the armies, civilians and enemy soldiers
were sometimes treated with humanity, sometimes
not. Little quarter was given in the war between
the Armenians and the Muslims, however. That war
was fought with all the ferocity of men who fought
to defend their families.
"...They were attacked on the roads by Armenian bands as they fled...". The "professor" should change "profession" and become a story-teller, not a good one, mind you. Proof mofo, proof!
I need to see a pre Genocide document or map that calls Armenia "Eastern Anatolia". If the falsifier cannot produce a proof then he should wash his filthy mouth. Proof mofo, proof!
Popular opinion today knows of only one set
of deportations, more properly called forced
migrations, in Anatolia, the deportation of the
Armenians. There were in fact many forced
migrations. For the Armenians, the worst forced
migrations came when they accompanied their own
armies in retreat. Starvation and disease killed
great numbers of both, far more than fell to
enemies' bullets. This is as should be expected
from historical principles; starvation and disease
are always the worst killers. It is also a
historical principle that refugees suffer most of
Principle, principle, principle... "This is as should be expected" so no one's guilty. The prof. is a genius. By the way, if the armed to their teeth Armenian rebels were mere defenseless "refugees", as the sorry excuse for a lowlife states, then why were they being deported in the first place?
One of-the many forced migration was the
organized expulsion of Armenians from much of
Anatolia by the Ottoman government. In light of
the history and the events of this war, it is true
that the Ottomans had obvious reason to fear the
Armenians, and that forced migration was an
age-old tool in Middle Eastern and Balkan
conflicts. It is also true that while its troops
were fighting the Russians and Armenians, the
Ottoman Government could not and did not properly
protect the Armenian migrants. Nevertheless, more
than 200,000 of the deported Armenians reached
Greater Syria and survived. (Some estimate that as
many as two-thirds of the deportees
The "excuse" that genocide and ethnic cleansing was an age-old tool worsens the case of the Defender of the Turk even more and is a proof that the Armenian Genocide of 1915 was one among countless others carried out by the "benevolent" Ottomans.
"...the organized expulsion of Armenians from much (=all) of Anatolia by the Ottoman government." means GENOCIDE.
"Some estimate that as many as two-thirds of the deportees survived." Would the "truth seeking" "principled" charlatan cite one or two historic sources for this claim?
Those who see the evil of genocide in the
forced migrations of Armenians ignore the survival
of so many of those who were deported. They also
ignore the fact that the Armenians who were most
under Ottoman control, those in Western cities
such as Izmir, Istanbul, and Edirne, were neither
deported nor molested, presumably because they
were not a threat.
No claim of genocide can rationally stand
in the light of these facts. (Not if one is as irrational as this learned sage. H.) If genocide is to be
considered, however, then the murders of Turks and
Kurds in 1915 and 1916 must be included in the
calculation of blame. The Armenian murder of the
innocent civilians of Erzincan, Bayburt, Tercan,
Erzurum, and all the villages on the route of the
Armenian retreat in 1918 must be taken into
account. The Armenian molestations and massacres
in Cilicia, deplored even by their French and
British allies, must be judged. And the exile or
death of two-thirds of the Turks of Erivan
Province, the Armenian Republic, during the war
must be remembered.
See the box above
That is the history of the Conflict between
the Turks and the Armenians. Only when that
history is known can the assertions of those who
accuse the Turks be understood.
The defender of the Turkish Cause doesn't "seem" to know that history.
In examining the claims of Armenian
nationalists, first to be considered should be
Does this guy speak English? The sentence is so asinine that needs no comment.
The most well-known of many fabrications on
the Armenian Question are the famous "Talat Pasa
Telegrams," in which the Ottoman interior minister
and other officials supposedly telegraphed
instructions to murder the Armenians. These
conclusively have been proven to be forgeries by
Sinasi Orel and Sureyya Yuca. However, one can
only wonder why they would ever have been taken
seriously. A whole people (some eloquent English! H.) cannot be convicted of
genocide on the basis of penciled scribblings on a
The genocide of "a whole people" cannot be denied "on the basis of penciled scribblings on a telegraph pad" being "proven" to be forgeries, by a couple of Turks, originals of which none of them have ever seen.
These were not the only examples of words
put in Talat Pasa's mouth. During World War I, the
British Propaganda Office and American
missionaries published a number of scurrilous
works in which Ottoman officials were falsely
quoted as ordering hideous deeds.
And the vile rascal assumes the authority to "advise" people not to go and consult the eyewitness accounts.
One of the best examples of invented
Ottoman admissions of guilt may be that concocted
by the American ambassador Morgenthau. Morgenthau
asked his readers to believe that Talat Pasa
offhandedly told the ambassador of his plans to
eradicate the Armenians. Applying common sense and
some knowledge of diplomatic practice helps to
evaluate these supposed indiscretions. Can anyone
believe that the Ottoman interior minister would
actually have done such a thing? He knew that
America invariably supported the Armenians, and
had always done so. If he felt the need to
unburden his soul, who would be the last person to
whom he would talk? The American ambassador. Yet
to whom does he tell all? The American Ambassador!
Talat Pasa was a practical politician. Like all
politicians, he undoubtedly violated rules and
made errors. But no one has ever alleged that
Talat Pasa was an idiot. Perhaps Ambassador
Morgenthau knew that the U.S. State Department
would never believe his story, because he never
reported it at the time to his masters, only
writing it later in a popular book.
Dismiss a valuable document just by assuming you know Talat pasha and what he would or would not say. Lazy researcher. The "objective" scholar is asking his readers to believe his garbage without reading Morgenthau's accounts. "Can anyone believe that" this poor sod is "applying common sense and some knowledge of diplomatic practice" to discourage the uninformed readers? America wasn't invariably supporting the Armenians, just like any country, it was/is always considering its own interests. Besides, America was neutral during WWI, how surprising that the revisionist "doesn't know" this.
The sophism this Sherlock Holmes is employing is so thin and transparent that a teenager won't buy it. Is this his applying of historical principles?
I wonder why the non-selective historian is forgetting the copious correspondence of German consuls, for instance that of Wangenheim, with their government...
The use of quotes from Americans is
selective. One American ambassador, Morgenthau, is
quoted by the Armenian apologists, but another
American ambassador, Bristol, is ignored. Why?
Because Bristol gave a balanced account and
accused Armenians as well as Muslims of
Armenian apologists... Where does this tramp copy his ideas from? Accused Armenians? What, he was a prosecutor or something?
Morgenthau was in Turkey during the Genocide whereas Admiral Bristol, became U.S. High Commissioner in Turkey after WWI and came to Turkey in 1920.
This quote may shed some light on the man's objectivity and honesty:
"The Armenians are a race like the Jews, they have little or no national spirit and poor moral character." Admiral Mark L. Bristol, U.S. High Commissioner to Turkey.
One wonders at the tactics of this impostor who on one hand bases his case on Armenian nationalism and on the other hand cites this fellow, who denies the Armenians any national character, as a reliable source to prove his garbage.
The most often seen fabrication may be the
famous "Hitler Quote." Hitler supposedly stated,
"Who after all is today speaking of the
destruction of the Armenians?" to justify his
Holocaust. The quote now appears every year in
school books, speeches in the American Congress
and the French Parliament and most writings in
which the Turks are attacked. Professor Heath
Lowry has cast serious doubt on the authenticity
of the quote. It is likely that Hitler never said
it. But there is a more serious question: How can
Adolf Hitler be taken as a serious source on
Armenian history? Were his other historical
pronouncements so reliable that his opinions can
Whether Hitler said this decades after the Armenian Genocide or not doesn't change the FACT that the Genocide happened. Besides, the "professor" says "It is likely that Hitler never said it", as his mentor, prof. Lowlife "cast serious doubt on the authenticity of the quote". Here, just like in Talat's case the "lawyer" assumes he knew Hitler, the apprentice of Talat, Jemal and Enver, personally. His "more serious question" is as misleading as his conclusions. To mention the Armenian Genocide doesn't mean one is a SOURCE on Armenian history or not.
Politically, "Hitler" is a magic word that
conjures up an all too true image of undisputed
evil. He is quoted on the Armenian Question for
polemic and political purpose, to tie the Turks to
Hitler's evil. In the modern world nothing defames
so well as associating your enemies with Hitler.
This is all absurdity, but it is potent absurdity
that convinces those who know nothing of the
facts. It is also a deliberate distortion of
Assuming that the Hitler quote is a fabrication without PROVING it, is total and impotent absurdity that caresses the ego of the deniers of the Armenian Genocide and those who do not want to know anything of the facts. Which Armenian history book, written in the course of the last 1600 years has the "historian" EVER read?
Population has also been a popular field
for fabrication. Armenian nationalists had a
particular difficulty -- they were only a small
part of the population of the land they planned to
carve from the Ottoman Empire. The answer was
false statistics. Figures appeared that claimed
that Armenians were the largest group in Eastern
Anatolia. These population statistics were
supposedly the work of the Armenian Patriarch, but
they were actually the work of an Armenian who
assumed a French name, Marcel Leart, published
them in Paris and pretended they were the
Patriarch's work. Naturally, he greatly
exaggerated the number of Armenians and diminished
the number of Turks. Once again, the amazing thing
is that these were ever taken seriously. Yet they
were used after World War I to justify granting
Eastern Anatolia to the Armenians and are still
routinely quoted today.
From whose land was the Ottoman "Empire" carved?
The Turks were the indigenous "people" of Asia Minor and the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians came thousands of years later... Once again read what Tavernier said in the 17th century (from Tokat to Tabriz... it's not surprising to come across fifty Armenians for every single Muslim) and tell us how come in the 20th century, the Armenians weren't the largest group. If they weren't, then what happened to them? Turks and their defenders always say that Turks and Armenians lived happily ever after for centuries...
The Armenian apologists quote American
missionaries as if missionaries would never lie,
omitting the numerous proofs that missionaries did
indeed lie and avoided mentioning anything that
would show Armenians to be less than innocent. The
missionaries in Van, for example, reported the
deaths of Armenians, but not the fact that those
same Armenians had killed all the Muslims they
caught in that city.
American Ambassador lies, Johannes Lepsius lies, all missionaries lie, Armin Wegner lies, Toynbee and Bryce lie, not to speak of Armenian survivors and Armenian Genocide experts. Only Injust McFarty, who personally knows the vilest monsters who ever lived, like Abdulhamid, Talat and Hitler, NEVER lies.
How about the Persian writer, Mohammad Ali Jamalzadeh who witnessed the plight of the Armenians, traveling from Berlin to Baghdad in spring of 1915, crossing from Istanbul to Aleppo and Baghdad, then back to Berlin. He noted down what he saw in "My Personal Observations in World War One". He is neither a Christian, nor a Jew nor a Westerner:
"We took a coach from Baghdad and Aleppo towards Istanbul. We saw many groups of Armenians from the very beginning of our journey, in unbelievable condition, and the armed Turkish gendarmes on horseback were driving them to their deaths. At first we were shocked, but we gradually became so used to it that we did not look at them anymore. It wasn't a sight to look at, indeed. Hundreds of weak and distressed Armenian men, women and children were being forced to walk forward by lashes and blows of rifle butts.
There were no Young men among the people, because all the young men were sent to the battle fronts or they were killed lest they'd join the Russian army. Armenian girls had shaved their heads and were completely bald to avoid being molested by Arab and Turkish men. Two or three gendarmes on horseback drove these groups forward by the whip like cattle.
If one of the captives fell behind as a result of exhaustion, weakness or nature's call, they would remain behind forever and the groans and pleadings of their relatives were useless. Therefore, here and there we saw Armenian men and women lying on the road side who were either dead, moribund or in near death agony.
Later we heard that several local young men, to quench their lustful desires, had not spared the honor of dead or dying Armenian girls.
Our route was along the western bank of Euphrates, and not a day would pass without us seeing the corpses floating on the river. One night, we stopped at a relatively habitable place and we bought a lamb from the residents and slaughtered and grilled it. We disemboweled the lamb and suddenly we saw a group of Armenians, whom the gendarmes had brought nearby, threw themselves on the green soup-like liquid waste from the lamb and devoured it. It was a sight I haven't forgotten to this day.
Yet another day we lodged in a place nearby a caravan from these Armenians under Ottoman police control. An Armenian woman with death like appearance came to me and said in French: "For God's sake, my children are dying of hunger. Take these two diamonds and give me some food instead."
Believe me, I didn't take the diamonds and I gave her some food, even though we were becoming short of food and we still had several days before arriving in Aleppo.
We arrived in Aleppo and lodged in a big hotel owned by an Armenian, called The Prince Hotel. He came to us in panic and said: "Jamal Pasha has arrived in Aleppo and is staying in this hotel. I fear he will arrest and kill me and he'll confiscate the hotel .
He entreated us to go to Jamal Pasha, who had become famous for his cruelty, and mediate. He said: "you are honorable people and your mediation might be effective". However, it remained ineffective, and after hours we heard that the Armenian man was arrested and he was taken to Beirut or somewhere that had become known as a huge slaughterhouse.
To cut it short, those were strange times and it has turned into a horrifying nightmare for me. It haunts me now and again, and it fills my entire being with pain and sorrow.
Mohammad Ali Jamalzadeh, 25 th of Khordad, 1350 (15th of June, 1971), Geneva.
The main falsification of history by the
Armenian apologists lies not in what they say, but
in what they do not say. They do not admit that
much of the evidence they rely on is tainted
because it was produced by the British Propaganda
Office in World War I. For example, the Bryce
Report, "The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman
Empire," has recently been reproduced by an
Armenian organization, with a long introduction
that praises its supposed veracity. Nowhere does
the reprint state that the report was produced and
paid for by British Propaganda as a way to attack
its wartime enemies, the Ottomans. Nor does the
reprint state that the other Bryce Report, this
one on alleged German atrocities, has long been
known by historians to be a collection of lies.
Nor does the reprint consider that the sources in
the report, such as the Dashnak Party, had a
tradition of not telling the truth.
Whose propaganda muzzle may the "honest" scholar be, when he withholds all facts? The lazy bastard calls the Bryce Report "British Propaganda" and we have to dismiss it entirely. The Dashnak Party is a thorn in his eyes and a trunk in his mouth which happens to be between his butt cheeks. How many books by the great leaders of the Dashnak Party has the "all facts scrutinizing truth seeker" read to smear this great organization with the slime pouring out of every orifice of his putrid cadaver?
The basic historical omission is never
citing, never even looking at evidence that might
contradict one's theories. Nationalist apologists
refer to English propaganda, missionary reports,
statements by Armenian revolutionaries, and the
like. They seldom refer to Ottoman documents,
hundreds of which have been published in recent
years, except perhaps to claim that nothing
written by the Ottomans can be trusted although
they trust completely the writings of Armenian
partisans. These documents indicate that the
Ottomans planned no genocide and were at least
officially solicitous of the Armenians' welfare.
The fact that these contradict the Armenian
sources is all the more reason that they should be
consulted. Good history can only be written then
both sides of historical arguments are considered.
Why does he omit the thousands of video taped or written survivor accounts that prove the Crime beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt?
Which Ottoman documents is he referring to? Doesn't he know access to the supposed "open" Ottoman archives is not as easy as they claim? To phrase it in his own unworthy style:
Applying common sense and some knowledge of diplomatic practice helps to evaluate these documents. Can anyone believe that the Turkish government would actually publish documents that would prove their guilt?
The Turkish leaders are practical politicians. Like all politicians, they undoubtedly violated rules and made errors. But no one has ever alleged that Turkish politicians are idiots.
Worst of all is the most basic omission --
the Armenian apologists do not mention the Muslim
dead. Any civil war will appear to be a genocide
if only the dead of one side are counted. Their
writings would be far more accurate, and would
tell a very different story, if they included
facts such as the deaths of nearly two-thirds of
the Muslims of Van Vilayeti, deaths caused by the
Russians and Armenians. Histories that strive for
accuracy must include all the facts, and the
deaths of millions of Muslims is surely a fact
that deserves mention.
The basic treachery this criminal is committing is to pin the entirety of Ottoman war casualties on Armenians. He doesn't tell us how on earth, when all the men fit for battle had been recruited and executed, and given the number of the rebels didn't exceed several thousands, how on earth the women, children and elderly who were driven to the desert to roast could have inflicted millions of casualties on the Muslims. If they could, then how on earth, for the sake of his non-existing honor, did these armed to their teeth women, children and elderly not rebel and walked to their painful death in Der el Zor?
Those of us who have studied this question
for years have seen many approaches come and go.
The old assertions, based on the Talat Pasa
telegrams and missionary reports, were obviously
insufficient, and new ones have
Only he and those of the sort have studied this question for years! Give me a break.
For a while, Pan-Turanism was advanced as
the cause for Turkish actions. It was said that
the Turks wished to be rid of the Armenians
because the Armenian population blocked the
transportation routes to Central Asia. This
foundered on the rocks of geography and
population. The Anatolian Armenian population was
not concentrated on those routes. The Armenian
Republic's Armenians, those in Erivan Province,
were on some of those routes. However, when at the
end of the war the Ottomans had the chance to
occupy Erivan they did not do so, but went
immediately on to Baku to protect Azeri Turks from
attacks by enough to believe that their chief
concern was advancing to Uzbekistan. The last sentence is crippled. H.
Wonder why an objective scholar calls Constantinople, Angora or Smyrna by their newer Turkish names and shuns to call Yerevan by its Armenian name. He could also call it Erebouni if he wanted to use the old name or Iravan, its Persian name. But no, he must always use the Turkish name, because the Pan-Turanist "historian" doesn't want to see the existence of an Armenia, even if it's one tenth of its original size.
The basest of all liars omits the Sardarabad, Bash Abaran and Karakilissa wars, where the Turks were defeated and shamelessly claims the Turks were so kind, after having wiped the Armenians off the face of their homeland, they spared them in Yerevan.
Much was made of post-war-courts martial
that accused members of the Committee of Union and
Progress Government of crimes against the
The accusations did not state that the
courts were convened by the unelected quisling
government of Ferid Pasa who created the courts to
curry favor with the allies. The courts returned
verdicts of guilty for all sorts of improbable
offenses, of which killing Armenians was only one.
The courts chose anything, true of false, that
would cast aspersion on Ferid's enemies. The
accused could not represent themselves. Can the
verdicts of such courts be trusted? Conveniently
overlooked were the investigations of the British,
who held Istanbul and were in charge of the
Ottoman Archives, but who were forced to admit
that they could find no evidence of massacres.
Who elected the Ottoman sultans? Who elected Kemal. Is there a grain of integrity in the whole putrefied existence of this creature.
Part III: A German scholar has
decided that the Ottomans reported and killed
Armenians so that they would have space in which
to settle the Turkish refugees from the Balkan
Wars. Those with some knowledge of Ottoman
history know that the Balkan refugees were
almost all settled in Western Anatolia and
Ottoman Europe, not in the East, and that the
refugees were all settled before the World War I
Armenian troubles began Nationalist apologists
first decide that the Turks are guilty, then
look for evidence that will show they are
correct ... The enemy of the nationalist
apologists is the truth. They have thrown false
telegrams, spurious statistics, sham courts and
anything else they could find, but the truth has
advanced Campaigns were organized to silence
historians. One professor was mercilessly
attacked in the press because he advised the
Turkish ambassador on responding to questions
about the Ottoman Armenians. No one questioned
the probity of the American Armenian scholar who
became the chief advisor of the president of the
Armenian Republic or doubted the veracity of the
American Armenian professor whose son became the
Armenian Foreign Minister (irrelevant, misleading garbage. He doesn't mention WHICH PRESIDENT and WHEN. H.) Fewer and fewer
historians are willing to write on this history.
A very senior and respected scholar of Ottoman
history, Bernard Lewis, was brought to court in
France for his denial of the Armenian genocide.
After a long and successful career, Professor
Lewis could afford to confront those who accused
him. Could a junior scholar afford to do the
same? (Is the junior falsifier begging for money? H.) Applying the principles of history (give us a break. H.), we can
see that what occurred was, in fact a long
history of imperialism, nationalist revolt, and
ethnic conflict. The result was horrible
mortality on all sides. There is an explainable,
understandable history of a two-sided conflict.
It was not
A recent find of the nationalist is the
Teskilat-I Mahsusa, the secret organization that
operated under orders of the Committee of Union
and Progress. We are told that the Teskilat must
have organized Armenian massacres. The
justification for this would astonish any
Recent? For you, novice ignoramus, maybe.
It is alleged that because a secret
organization existed it must have been intended to
do evil, including the genocide of the Armenians.
As further "proof," it is noted that officers of
the Teskilat were present in areas where Armenians
died. Since Teskilat officers were all over
Anatolia, this should surprise no one. By this
dubious logic (misleading, inapplicable conclusion. H.) Teskilat members must also have been
responsible for the deaths of Muslims because they
were also present in areas where Muslims died.(wtf??? H.) Does this prove that no Teskilat members killed or
even massacred Armenians? It does not. It would be
odd if during wartime no members of a large
organization had not committed such actions, and
they undoubtedly did so. What it in no way proves
is that the Teskilat was ordered to commit
genocide.(Some reasoning, some English. Man, pathetic are those who put their fate in the claws of this moron. H.)
"Since Teskilat officers were all over Anatolia, this should surprise no one"... You said the poor Ottoman government was falling apart and could not control the "empire"???
A German scholar has decided that the
Ottomans reported and killed Armenians so that
they would have space in which to settle the
Turkish refugees from the Balkan Wars. For those
who do not know Ottoman history, this might seem
like a reasonable explanation. Those with some
knowledge of Ottoman history know that the Balkan
refugees were almost all settled in Western
Anatolia and Ottoman Europe, not in the East, and
that the refugees were all settled before the
World War I Armenian troubles began.
Whether an unspecified German scholar has a theory that may or may not "seem like a reasonable explanation", doesn't mean that one can refute the fact of the Armenian Genocide by "proving" him wrong. If this is the method of "applying historical principles", then the term needs to be redefined.
Such assertions are the result of the
methods used. Nationalist apologists first decide
that the Turks are guilty, then look for evidence
that will show they are correct. They are like a
man in a closed room fighting against a stronger
enemy. As the enemy advances the man picks up a
book, a lamp, an ashtray, a chair -- whatever he
can find -- and throws it in the vain hope of
stopping the enemy's advance. But the enemy
continues on. Eventually the man runs out of
things to throw, and he is beaten. The enemy of
the nationalist apologists is the truth. They have
thrown false telegrams, spurious statistics, sham
courts, and anything else they could find, but the
truth has advanced.
Same "methods" babble again... The excrement this ordure, locked in his filthy closed dump, is throwing at Armenians has hit the fan and his entire corpse reeks of that perfume.
The faded analogy shows that the literary aspirations of the professor wouldn't bring him much further in that field either. Get a life, lowlife scum.
Some tactics have been all too successful
in reducing the number of scholars who study the
Armenian Question. When the fabrications and
distortions failed, there were outright threats.
When the historians could not be convinced, the
next best thing was to silence them. One
professor's house was bombed.
Others were threatened with similar
violence. Campaigns were organized to silence
historians. One professor was mercilessly attacked
in the press because he advised the Turkish
ambassador on responding to questions about the
Ottoman Armenians. It is worth noting that no one
questioned the probity of the American Armenian
scholar who became the chief advisor of the
president of the Armenian Republic or doubted the
veracity of the American Armenian professor whose
son became the Armenian foreign minister. No one
questioned the objectivity of these scholars or
attacked them, nor should they. The only proper
question is, "What is the truth!" No matter who
pays the bills, no matter the nationality of the
author, no matter if he writes to ambassadors, no
matter his religion, his voting record, his credit
status, or his personal life, his views on history
should be closely analyzed and, if true,
Jumping from one subject to an unrelated subject is a proof of the "probity" and "veracity" of the impostor. What on earth has the appointment of the SON of the great and upright professor Richard Hovanissian, whose excrement is worthier than the fake scholar, as foreign minister in Ter Petrossian's (disliked and discredited by most Armenians) government to do with the anti Armenian denial campaign launched by dubious characters like himself?
The only question is the truth. (No kidding! H.)
Such attacks have had their intended
effect. Fewer and fewer historians are willing to
write on this history. A very senior and respected
scholar of Ottoman history, Bernard Lewis, was
brought to court in France for his denial of the
Armenian genocide. After a long and successful
career, Professor Lewis could afford to confront
those who accused him. He also could afford to
hire the lawyers who defended him. Could a junior
scholar afford to do the same? Could someone who
depended on university rectors, who worry about
funding, afford to take up such a dangerous topic?
Could someone without Professor Lewis's financial
resources afford the lawyers who defended both his
free speech and his good name?
Translated: Give me money, I'm a poor (read unscrupulous) scholar "risking" my miserable life, threatened by those bad Armenians.
I myself was the target of a campaign,
instigated by an Armenian newspaper, that
attempted to have me fired from my university.
Letters and telephone calls from all over the
United States came to the president of my
university, demanding my dismissal because I
denied the "Armenian Genocide." We have the tenure
system in the United States, a system that
guarantees that senior professors cannot be fired
for what they teach and write, and my university
president defended my rights. But a younger
professor might understandably be afraid to write
on the Armenians if he knew he faced the sort of
ordeal that has been faced by others.
The ordeal faced by the Armenians for nine centuries, culminating in the Genocide of 1915 would make every self-respecting human being think twice before spewing such stinking rubbish.
To me, the worst of all is being accused of
being the kind of politicized nationalist scholar
I so detest. False reasons are invented to explain
why I say this -- my mother is a Turk, my wife is
a Turk, I am paid large sums by the Turkish
government. None of these things is true, but it
would not affect my writings one bit if they were.
The way to challenge a scholar's work is to read
his writings and respond to them with your own
scholarship, not to attack his
Politicized? Nationalist? Scholar? You are none of them in your wildest dreams.
When, despite the best efforts of the
nationalist apologists, some still speak out
against the distortion of history, the final
answer is political: Politicians are enlisted to
rewrite history. Parliaments are enlisted to
convince their people that there was a genocide.
In America, the Armenian nationalists lobby a
Congress which refuses to even consider an apology
for slavery to demand an apology from Turks for
something the Turks did not do.
Then where are the indigenous inhabitants of Armenia? They evaporated just like that...
In France, the Armenia nationalists lobby a
Parliament which will not address the horrors
perpetrated by the French in Algeria, which they
know well took place, to declare there were
horrors in Turkey, about which they know almost
nothing. The people of many nations are then told
that the genocide must have taken place because
their representatives have recognized
The recognition or denial of the Armenian Genocide doesn't change the fact that it happened. What does the "scholar" know of the horrors in Turkey?
The Turks are accused of "genocide," but
what does that appalling word mean? The most
quoted definition is that of the United Nations:
actions "committed with intent to destroy in whole
or in part a national, ethnic, radical, or
religious group as such." Raphael Lemkin who
invented the word genocide, included cultural,
social, economic, and political destruction of
groups as genocide. Leo Kuper included as genocide
attacks on subgroups that are not ethnic, such as
economic classes, collective groups and various
social categories. By these standards Turks were
indeed guilty of genocide. So were Armenians,
Russians, Greeks, Americans, British and almost
every people that has ever existed. In World War I
in Anatolia there were many such "genocides." So
many groups attacked other groups that the use of
the word genocide is meaningless.
If it's meaningless then why all the fuss?
Why, then, is such a hollow term used
against the Turks? It is used because those who
hear the term do not think of the academic
definitions. They think of Hitler and of what he
did to the Jews. The intent behind the use of the
word genocide is not to foster understanding. The
intent is to foster a negative image of the Turks
by associating them with great evil. The intent is
The Turks brought civilization, culture, art and science to the backward world.
What must be considered by the serious
historian is a simple question, "Did the Ottoman
Government carry out a plan to exterminate the
Armenians?" In answering this question it is
important not to copy the Armenian apologists.
When they declare that Armenians did no wrong, the
answer is not to reply that the Turks did no
wrong. The answer must be honest history. What
cannot and should not be denied is that many
Anatolian Muslims did commit crimes against
Armenians. Some of those who committed crimes were
Ottoman officials. Actions were taken in revenge,
out of hatred or for political reasons. In total
war men do evil acts. This again is a sad but real
historical principle. The Ottoman government
recognized this and tried more than 1,000 Muslims
for war crimes, including crimes against
Armenians, hanging some criminals.
Then why do they deny now?
Applying the principles of history, we can
see that what occurred was in fact a long history
of imperialism, nationalist revolt and ethnic
One who doesn't have any principles is boasting on and on that he's able to apply "the principles of history".
The result was horrible mortality on all
sides. There is an explainable, understandable
history of a two-sided conflict. It was not
genocide. Throughout that history, both sides
killed and were killed. It was not
Casualties of war are not considered victims of genocide. Millions of Germans died in the WWII. More than twenty five million Russians died as well. No one sees them as victims if genocide, however tragic the loss may be. Wiping a country from its inhabitants of thousands of years in order to realize a sick dream of "uniting" members of the same species of savages is a crime against humanity. This was the case of the Armenians, and there is no "explainable, understandable history" that could justify it. IT WAS GENOCIDE.
Much archival evidence shows Ottoman
government concern that Armenians survive. Also,
it must be said that much evidence shows poor
planning, government weakness and in some places
criminal acts and negligence. Some officials were
murderous, but a sincere effort was made to punish
them. It was not genocide.
The fake scholar who has never bothered to consult one real and valid history book or historical document out of the mountain of evidence, makes an insincere effort to exonerate the tyrannical Ottoman regime from the most barbaric crime in the history of humanity. Why? Only he knows it. The plan was murderous, IT WAS GENOCIDE.
The majority of those who were deported
survived, even though those Armenians were
completely at the mercy of the Ottomans. It was
Speaking of mercy in relation to a barbaric species, who since the ill day they set their cloven hoofs in Armenia, have brought nothing but pain and disaster, is so absurdly grotesque, "For children were ravished from the embraces of their mothers and mercilessly hurled against rocks" (From Aristakes Lastivertsi's history)
The survivors suffered more than those who died, thus, they were also victims of the Genocide. Seeing their loved ones raped and slaughtered in front of their eyes and carrying the pain to their graves without seeing justice done is worse than dying. Since an entire nation was thrown out of their homeland for thousands of years, IT WAS GENOCIDE.
The Armenians most under Ottoman control,
the Armenian residents of Istanbul, Izmir, Edirne
and other regions of greatest governmental power
were neither deported not attacked. It was not
The cunning wolves did not generally kill the Armenians in those cities because of the presence of foreigners. Though, the intellectuals, the poets, politicians, musicians, writers, etc., i.e. the head of the Armenian nation, were arrested in Constantinople and carried to remote places and brutally mutilated. To cut off a nations head, the recruiting and subsequent execution of the men capable of fighting, before slaughtering the women, children and the elderly or walking them to the desert to roast, confirms the diabolical nature of the meticulously planned extermination policy. IT WAS GENOCIDE.
Why are the Turks accused of a hideous
crime they did not commit? The answer is both
emotional and political. Many Armenians feel in
their hearts that Turks were guilty. They have
only heard of the deaths of their ancestors, not
the deaths of the Turks. They have been told only
a small part of a complicated story for so long
that they believe it to be unquestionable truth.
Their anger is understandable. The beliefs of
those in Europe and America who have never heard
the truth, which sadly is the majority, are also
understandable. It is the actions of those who use
the claim of genocide for nationalist political
motives that are inexcusable.
You ignorant cowboy, what do you know of the Armenian history?
Does any rational analyst deny that the
ultimate intent of the Armenian nationalists is to
first gain "reparations," then claim Eastern
Anatolia as their own?
Once again: I demand the sham scholar to produce ONE map or document from before the Armenian Genocide that calls Armenia "Eastern Anatolia". Otherwise he has to shut the hell up and eat defecation and die.
Finally, what is to be done? As might be
expected from all I have said here today, I
believe the only answer to false allegations of
genocide is to study and proclaim the truths of
history. Political actions such as the resolution
recently passed by the French Parliament naturally
and properly draw corresponding political actions
from Turks, but political actions will never
convince the world that Turks did not commit
genocide. What is needed to convince the world
that Turks did not commit genocide? What is needed
to convince the world is a great increase in
scholarship. Archives must remain open and be easy
to use for both Turks and foreigners. Graduate
students should be encouraged to study the
Armenian question. No student's advisers should
tell him to avoid this subject because it is "too
political," something I have heard in America and,
unfortunately, in Turkey as well.
"What is needed to convince the world that Turks did not commit genocide?" ...Search and you may someday come to your senses and stop this campaign of slander against a nation who has had more that their share of tragedy.
I suggest, as I have suggested before, that
the Turkish Republic propose to the Armenian
Republic that a joint commission be established,
its members selected by scholarly academies in
both countries. All archives should be opened to
the commission -- not only the Ottoman Archives,
but the archives of Armenia and of the Armenian
Revolutionary Federation. (The call is often made
for the Turkish Archives to be opened completely.
It is time to demand that Armenians do likewise.)
I have been told that the Armenians will never
agree to this, but how can anyone know unless they
try? In any case, refusal to fairly and honestly
consider this question would in itself be evidence
that the accusations against the Turks are
political, not scholarly.
The usual "Armenian archives should be opened" crap, when they have been open for years... Typical applying of historical principles, McFarty style.
Whether or not such a commission is ever
named, the study of the Armenian question must be
continued. This is true not only because it is
always right to discover accurate history. It is
true because honor demands it. Honor is a word
that is not often heard today, but a concept of
honor is nonetheless sorely needed. I have been
told by many that the Turks should adopt a
political strategy to deal with the Armenian
problem. This strategy would have the Turkish
government lie about the past for present
Honor... "This strategy would have the Turkish government lie about the past for present political gain". This is what the "honorable" rascal has been doing so far.
The government would state that the
Ottomans committed genocide, but that modern
Turkey cannot be blamed because it is a different
government. This, I have been told, would cause
the world to think more kindly of the Turks. I do
not believe this ultimately would satisfy anyone.
I believe that calls for reparations and land
would quickly follow such a statement. But that is
not the reason to reject such easy political lies.
They should be rejected purely because they are
wrong. Even if the lies would bring great gains,
they should be rejected because they are wrong. I
believe the Turks are still men and women of
honor. They know that it can never be honorable to
accept lies told of their ancestors, no matter the
benefits. I also believe that someday, perhaps
soon, perhaps far in the future, the truth will be
recognized by the world. I believe that the
accurate study of history and the honor of the
Turks will bring this to pass.
"I do not believe this ultimately would satisfy anyone". Who the hell are YOU?
"I believe that calls for reparations and land would quickly follow..." You bet your sorry behind!
"Even if the lies would bring great gains, they should be rejected because they are wrong." Then why have you been lying the whole time?
"I believe the Turks are still men and women of honor. They know that it can never be honorable to accept lies told of their ancestors."
This is what their ancestors have been doing ever since they set hoof west of the Caspian Sea:
From Aristakes Lastivertsi's History, who was there about thousand years ago and saw it with his own eyes
In the same year, the gate of Heaven's wrath opened upon our land. Numerous troops moved forth from T'urk'astan...
...pounced upon the Christians as insatiably hungry wolves devour their food...
...as far as the great estate called Vagharshawan they demolished and polluted twenty-four districts with sword, fire, and captive-taking. This narration deserves many piteous laments and tears.
They sped like lions, and like lion cubs, they mercilessly threw the corpses of many people to the carnivorous beasts.
Now although there was plenty of prey for them everywhere, for the country before them was like a lush garden full of fruit...many who had gone up to a cave were crushed to death by huge rocks [rolled on them], and their corpses tumbled down upon each other resembling heaps of wood-shavings...
Because of the severe crisis, many pregnant women aborted their babies...
Others who were terribly wounded, and could not make sounds, were breathing violently. Others whose throats had been slit but were still alive were emitting gurgling sounds in pain. Yet others, who had been badly wounded, were scraping the ground with their feet and clawing at it with their fingernails...
...they took the children from their parents' embrace, and threw them to the ground, and [the Saljuqs'] place of encampment was swarming with them. Some [of the children] had died when they fell against rocks. The sides of some of them had torn open and their intestines poured out onto the ground...
Mercilessly setting fire to the homes and churches wherein refugees had fled, [the Saljuqs] burned them down, considering this a benevolent act...
Regarding How Terribly the City Called Kars Was Struck:
...the people were celebrating the mass of the day, [singing] with joyous voices, the troops of the infidels unexpectedly attacked....
Well-respected and honorable merchants were wickedly slain, youths and athletes/wrestlers lay stabbed to death in the streets, and the blood-spattered heads of the elderly lay fallen near them. By such deeds was the city stripped of its population.
Only the one who managed to enter the stronghold located above the city saved his life. The entire remainder of the day, [the Saljuqs] rummaged through the houses, then set the city on fire. Taking their captives and the city's plunder, they went to their own land...
Swords in hand they came upon some, fell upon them like beasts, pierced their hearts and killed them instantly.
As for the stout and corpulent, they were made to go down on their knees, and their hands were secured down by stakes. Then the skin together with the nails was pulled up on both sides over the forearm and shoulder as far as the tips of the second hand, forcibly removed, and [the Saljuqs] fashioned bowstrings out of them...
[the Saljuqs] totally stripped and pillaged whatever we had, even though we had done nothing to them...
They took the young boys and other little children and used them as targets, wickedly piercing and killing them with lances and arrows. Nor did any feelings of pity find their way into their natures. I need not mention the children who were torn from their parents' embrace: the boys were hurled against rocks, while the attractive women and girls who had been reared in comfort were disgraced...
One could see there the grief and calamity of every age of humankind. For children were ravished from the embraces of their mothers and mercilessly hurled against rocks, while the mothers drenched them with tears and blood. Father and son were slain by the same sword. The elderly, the young, priests and deacons also died by the same sword. The city became filled from one end to the other with bodies of the slain, and [the bodies of the slain] became a road...
Resembling the viper, their rage did not let up; resembling the fire, their greed had no bounds. For whatever they proposed regarding us was evil...
Those HONORABLE Turks... H.
Professor (in Inefficient and Stinking Garbage Production and Wasteful Management of Sucking Up to the Turk. H.) Justin McCarthy teaches at the
University of Louisville in Kentucky. (Poor students... H.)